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Quote: Glenn Beck

"I beg you, look for the words 'social justice' or 'economic justice' on your church Web site. If you find it, run as fast as you can. Social justice and economic justice, they are code words. Now, am I advising people to leave their church? Yes."


Comments

Janice

Janice

Posted at 7:26 pm (U.S. Eastern) 5/1/2010

I am shocked that this magazine would print such a quote as the one from Glenn Beck.  Social and economic justice is what Jesus' ministry here on earth was all about.  One example is what Jesus told us in Luke 3:11 when he said, "whoever has two coats mush share with anyone who has none; and whoever has food must do likewise."  In an issue of The Lutheran that has the focus of hospitality, why would you print this quote?  Beck's statement is anti-Christian and does not belong in The Lutheran.  

Stuart Smith

Stuart Smith

Posted at 8:17 pm (U.S. Eastern) 5/2/2010

Actually Janice, it was not Jesus who said that, but John the Baptist.  If you believe that the Kingdom of God is a utopian socialistic state and that life is an etitlement program, then you are in the right denomination.  The ELCA is nothing more than a mouthpiece for the socialist party.

By the way Janice, where in the NEw Testament does Jesus or an of the apostles command using government to steal from people to achieve "wealth redistribution"? 

Robert

Robert

Posted at 4:08 pm (U.S. Eastern) 5/3/2010

Janice, Beck's quote was printed just to show us how off-base Beck is.  However, Beck is crafty and describes himself not as a journalist but as a commentator who tries to provoke discussion (and worse).

Stuart, you're just as off-base here as you were in our discussion under the pool item.  Read further in Acts about the "utopian socialist" communities that the first Christians set up.  As for entitlements, I guess you're also against Social Security, Medicare, and other provisions?  Also re-read Matthew 25: 31-46

As a discalimer, I'm on Social Security, Medicare, and received a distributed pension, all of which I earned, thank you.  I'm also a life-long Lutheran, ELCA and predecessors.  So where do you come in?  You sure are bitter about the ELCA.  Were you ever a member?  Left?  Trolling former waters in your bitterness?

Web Manager

Web Manager

Posted at 4:14 pm (U.S. Eastern) 5/3/2010

Just a reminder ... please keep all comments civil and on-topic.

Stuart Smith

Stuart Smith

Posted at 8:40 pm (U.S. Eastern) 5/4/2010

Richard,

The problem is not that I am so "off-base". Perhaps it is just that you are so far out in left field you cannot see where the bases are.  Examples are your completely irrelevant references to Acts and Matthew 25: 31-46.  The passages in Acts are describing a VOLUNTARY association.  No one was required to sell off their property, and there was no confiscation of others people assets for "wealth redistribution".  Same story with Matthew 25.  Jesus nowhere commands stealing from others so that you may pat ourself on the back and feel good about your "compassion".   Show me in the New Testament where Jesus or anyone else describe a governmental and economic system. 

So Richard, if you think the Acts commune is exemplary, let me ask you how many such communes have you joined or organized?  And Janice...how many coats do you have in your closet?

I did not ask you about your pension or social security, etc.  Your business is your business.  Just know that the next generations are stuck with the bill. 

For the record, since you ask, I was raised LCA, left faith entirely for many years, and am now a member of a congregation which is rostered in the ELCA.  I never filled out an "ELCA membership application", and was never asked to pledge loyalty or obedience to the ELCA.  I consider myself a member of a local congregation only: synod and ELCA are irrelevant.

So far, the issues which have erupted at the farce of the CWA has not affected our congregation.  What happens within the next few years may well determine if I remain or stay.   

I hope this satisfies your curiosity.

Janice

Janice

Posted at 9:46 am (U.S. Eastern) 5/5/2010

I stand corrected on the quote from Acts.  Sorry about that. 

Stuart - I have two coats, one dressy and one casual.  I also give regularly to organizations that collect clothing.

Robert - Yes, I'm sure Beck's quote was included to show how off-base he is.  Without an editorial comment along with it, I'm afraid that too many people would read that and take it as an attitude The Lutheran endorses.   

No "stealing" is involved.  Jesus asks us to give out of our abundance to those in need. 

Robert

Robert

Posted at 2:47 pm (U.S. Eastern) 5/5/2010

Stuart, (from Robert, not Richard) no need to answer my question on the other post about your background, I should have read this first.  As there, I'm also trying to be civil.

 I'm happy that you found a church home and your relations with your synod and the ELCA are yours and none of my business.  I am sorry that you thought it was necessary to sign an "ELCA membership application".  One of the things I've come to appreciate about the Lutheran Church (at least the ELCA) is the democratic nature of their treatment of members and their evolving emergence of a variety of views and personal faiths.  I hope that no matter what happens in the future within the congregations of the ELCA, that you continue to make your spiritual home there.  I don't forsee anything coming down the road, results of the CWA or not, which would damage your relationship to your congregation.  Anything that does occur within your congregation will be just that, within the congregation.

-- (again, signed) Robert

Stephen Miller

Stephen Miller

Posted at 3:17 pm (U.S. Eastern) 5/18/2010

We are called to PERSONALLY give help to the poor and those less unfortunate on an individual basis.  NOT through taxes or expecting our government to do it.

If you depend on your government to help the poor, what credit is that to you?  How does that earn you a crown in heaven?

I like the analogy of the Samaritan, whom, finding the injured robbery victim on the road, does not help him personally, but instead stops the next people coming down the road and forces THEM to contribute their money to help.  This is the socialistic way to help the poor.  NOT what Jesus commanded of us.

Janet Gardner

Janet Gardner

Posted at 1:08 pm (U.S. Eastern) 5/24/2010

Glenn Beck has repeatedly said that he opposes the government from taking the people's money through taxes and giving it to the poor, but he applauds the people who voluntarily give their money to the poor and less fortunate.  There is a difference when you mandate the government to progressively tax the wealthier Americans to give it to the poorer Americans, and when you personally volunteer to give your money to the charities of your choice.  It is your choice to give, not to have it be taken from you by the government.

Please, if you are opposed to Glenn Beck's position, clearly state why you are opposed and do not misrepresent what his intentions are. This is a very fundamental issue that needs to be debated.

Tom Hill

Tom Hill

Posted at 4:29 pm (U.S. Eastern) 6/11/2010

Lenin has been attributed to saying the "the West is the useful idiot".  Dare I say, the ELCA has become the useful idiot for the Progressive movement in the US.  Make no mistake, the concepts of economic justice and social justice are lifted directly from Marx and Engels.  The ELCA looks more like a 501(c) advocay group for the Progressive Movement than an organized evangilical church.  It's really a shame they have managed to self destruct. 



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